Discussion:
More proof of Macedonian Greekness and FYROMian non-existence.
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Agamemnon
2006-08-04 11:28:07 UTC
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Explain this you Skopians.

Why are all the names in the Macedonian Mule Corps of 1914 Greek ?

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=powersearch&query=scope%3dmacedonian%20mule%20corps&catid=10&mediaarray=*&pagenumber=1&querytype=1

Where are the Skopjian names ?

Paschalis, Savya
Loucas, Haji Achillea
Joannou, Joanis
Christos, Stratis
Condopoulos, Eurepide
Barevaris, E
Victor Vernandakis
Tzorzis Christofi
Callis Panayi
Sozos Mina
Heraklis, Toghli Michael
Heraklis, Yeorghi
Hambis Yianni
Demosthenis Michael
Demosthenis Cosma
Demetris, K Skourmorini
Demetris Constandinou
Demetris Christodulou Shakalli

Need I go on......

You Fyromians know full well that prior to 1945 FYROM was never called
Macedonia but Vardaska Banovinia.

The only Macedonia is Greece !
Macedon
2006-08-04 12:47:42 UTC
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Where is your proof Aga? We had Greek names and surname attached to our
family for three generations. Does it prove anything? Can Macedonians
in Greece restore their original names and surnames?
Post by Agamemnon
Explain this you Skopians.
Why are all the names in the Macedonian Mule Corps of 1914 Greek ?
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=powersearch&query=scope%3dmacedonian%20mule%20corps&catid=10&mediaarray=*&pagenumber=1&querytype=1
Where are the Skopjian names ?
Paschalis, Savya
Loucas, Haji Achillea
Joannou, Joanis
Christos, Stratis
Condopoulos, Eurepide
Barevaris, E
Victor Vernandakis
Tzorzis Christofi
Callis Panayi
Sozos Mina
Heraklis, Toghli Michael
Heraklis, Yeorghi
Hambis Yianni
Demosthenis Michael
Demosthenis Cosma
Demetris, K Skourmorini
Demetris Constandinou
Demetris Christodulou Shakalli
Need I go on......
You Fyromians know full well that prior to 1945 FYROM was never called
Macedonia but Vardaska Banovinia.
The only Macedonia is Greece !
Agamemnon
2006-08-04 16:01:37 UTC
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Post by Macedon
Where is your proof Aga? We had Greek names and surname attached to our
family for three generations. Does it prove anything? Can Macedonians
in Greece restore their original names and surnames?
Macedonians already have their original names intact. They are Greeks.

No Fyromskis were pretending to be Macedonians during WW1 because Fyrom was
not created until after WW2. The only people who called themselves
Macedonians were the descendents of Greeks.
Post by Macedon
Post by Agamemnon
Explain this you Skopians.
Why are all the names in the Macedonian Mule Corps of 1914 Greek ?
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=powersearch&query=scope%3dmacedonian%20mule%20corps&catid=10&mediaarray=*&pagenumber=1&querytype=1
Where are the Skopjian names ?
Paschalis, Savya
Loucas, Haji Achillea
Joannou, Joanis
Christos, Stratis
Condopoulos, Eurepide
Barevaris, E
Victor Vernandakis
Tzorzis Christofi
Callis Panayi
Sozos Mina
Heraklis, Toghli Michael
Heraklis, Yeorghi
Hambis Yianni
Demosthenis Michael
Demosthenis Cosma
Demetris, K Skourmorini
Demetris Constandinou
Demetris Christodulou Shakalli
Need I go on......
You Fyromians know full well that prior to 1945 FYROM was never called
Macedonia but Vardaska Banovinia.
The only Macedonia is Greece !
ﻡжiЯפ Я ©®@ρ
2006-08-04 16:03:41 UTC
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http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=quicksearch&pagenumber=1&querytype=1&catid=10&query=argyrou



Muleteers !

*LMFAOAY*
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Macedon
Where is your proof Aga? We had Greek names and surname attached to our
family for three generations. Does it prove anything? Can Macedonians
in Greece restore their original names and surnames?
Macedonians already have their original names intact. They are Greeks.
No Fyromskis were pretending to be Macedonians during WW1 because Fyrom was
not created until after WW2. The only people who called themselves
Macedonians were the descendents of Greeks.
Post by Macedon
Post by Agamemnon
Explain this you Skopians.
Why are all the names in the Macedonian Mule Corps of 1914 Greek ?
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=powersearch&query=scope%3dmacedonian%20mule%20corps&catid=10&mediaarray=*&pagenumber=1&querytype=1
Where are the Skopjian names ?
Paschalis, Savya
Loucas, Haji Achillea
Joannou, Joanis
Christos, Stratis
Condopoulos, Eurepide
Barevaris, E
Victor Vernandakis
Tzorzis Christofi
Callis Panayi
Sozos Mina
Heraklis, Toghli Michael
Heraklis, Yeorghi
Hambis Yianni
Demosthenis Michael
Demosthenis Cosma
Demetris, K Skourmorini
Demetris Constandinou
Demetris Christodulou Shakalli
Need I go on......
You Fyromians know full well that prior to 1945 FYROM was never called
Macedonia but Vardaska Banovinia.
The only Macedonia is Greece !
alinton
2006-08-04 16:32:08 UTC
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you are renowned as a sick, psychotic individual on usenet. You
just have to learn that most people are NOT losers like you. They don't
have to become the laughing stock of usenet to be perceived by people!
LMAO!
Post by ﻡжiЯפ Я ©®@ρ
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=quicksearch&pagenumber=1&querytype=1&catid=10&query=argyrou
Muleteers !
*LMFAOAY*
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Macedon
Where is your proof Aga? We had Greek names and surname attached to our
family for three generations. Does it prove anything? Can Macedonians
in Greece restore their original names and surnames?
Macedonians already have their original names intact. They are Greeks.
No Fyromskis were pretending to be Macedonians during WW1 because Fyrom was
not created until after WW2. The only people who called themselves
Macedonians were the descendents of Greeks.
Post by Macedon
Post by Agamemnon
Explain this you Skopians.
Why are all the names in the Macedonian Mule Corps of 1914 Greek ?
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=powersearch&query=scope%3dmacedonian%20mule%20corps&catid=10&mediaarray=*&pagenumber=1&querytype=1
Where are the Skopjian names ?
Paschalis, Savya
Loucas, Haji Achillea
Joannou, Joanis
Christos, Stratis
Condopoulos, Eurepide
Barevaris, E
Victor Vernandakis
Tzorzis Christofi
Callis Panayi
Sozos Mina
Heraklis, Toghli Michael
Heraklis, Yeorghi
Hambis Yianni
Demosthenis Michael
Demosthenis Cosma
Demetris, K Skourmorini
Demetris Constandinou
Demetris Christodulou Shakalli
Need I go on......
You Fyromians know full well that prior to 1945 FYROM was never called
Macedonia but Vardaska Banovinia.
The only Macedonia is Greece !
Macedon
2006-08-04 22:43:09 UTC
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Greeks who today live in Aegean Macedonia (the part of Macedonia which
is currently in Greece) are Asians or Orthodox Turks, brought after the
ethnic cleansing of Macedonia.
Macedonians were never subsaharan and they were always a different race
to the Greeks, the reason why indigenous Macedonians were very
reluctant to mix with Greeks. Unfortunately (unfortunately because I
don't support racism), this case is still current when Macedonians in
Greece are considered.
Post by Agamemnon
Post by Macedon
Where is your proof Aga? We had Greek names and surname attached to our
family for three generations. Does it prove anything? Can Macedonians
in Greece restore their original names and surnames?
Macedonians already have their original names intact. They are Greeks.
No Fyromskis were pretending to be Macedonians during WW1 because Fyrom was
not created until after WW2. The only people who called themselves
Macedonians were the descendents of Greeks.
Post by Macedon
Post by Agamemnon
Explain this you Skopians.
Why are all the names in the Macedonian Mule Corps of 1914 Greek ?
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=powersearch&query=scope%3dmacedonian%20mule%20corps&catid=10&mediaarray=*&pagenumber=1&querytype=1
Where are the Skopjian names ?
Paschalis, Savya
Loucas, Haji Achillea
Joannou, Joanis
Christos, Stratis
Condopoulos, Eurepide
Barevaris, E
Victor Vernandakis
Tzorzis Christofi
Callis Panayi
Sozos Mina
Heraklis, Toghli Michael
Heraklis, Yeorghi
Hambis Yianni
Demosthenis Michael
Demosthenis Cosma
Demetris, K Skourmorini
Demetris Constandinou
Demetris Christodulou Shakalli
Need I go on......
You Fyromians know full well that prior to 1945 FYROM was never called
Macedonia but Vardaska Banovinia.
The only Macedonia is Greece !
akritas
2006-08-05 09:49:05 UTC
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Where you read this ? From Ristovski or Stefovski ?
Skopjan idiot
Post by Macedon
Greeks who today live in Aegean Macedonia (the part of Macedonia which
is currently in Greece) are Asians or Orthodox Turks, brought after the
ethnic cleansing of Macedonia.
Macedonians were never subsaharan and they were always a different race
to the Greeks, the reason why indigenous Macedonians were very
reluctant to mix with Greeks. Unfortunately (unfortunately because I
don't support racism), this case is still current when Macedonians in
Greece are considered.
v***@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
2006-08-05 10:18:45 UTC
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What this shows is how the Slavs have always behaved towards
Greeks, not just over Skopya, but the Bulgarians Vulgaroktonor
defeated, the Third Rome fallacy (originally invented by Bulgarians at
Trnvo), the San Stefano incidents, and the attempts to subvert the
Greek American church. The Greeks have always been a free people, with
free ideas and free markets, but the panSlob communists were always
Mokosh-worshipping mudsuckers. These boorish Slavs are like this fat
kid who took your toy and sat on it and started shouting "It's mine".
Greeks are better off befriending Turks than having anything further
to do with Slavs.

NY Times 2Apr1877 p4 Socialistic Spectre of Europe

Socialism there is not a modern revolutionary and foreign idea. It
is simply an endeavor to return to the pure and ancient Slavonic
practice. It is in the highest degree patriotic and Russian in
character.. present agitation in the Muscovite Empire, and throughout
the Slavonic countries, is to restore the old the Pan-Slavic Commune

Imperial Russia, 1198, ed Burbank, indiana.edu, 0-253-33462-4 [Hoch, Iowa]

p207 Russian peasants were not merely premodern and precapitalist,
they were prefeudal.. Familism is a dependency which does not readily
relate to traditional notions of freedom. At times, it was a
dependency of great emotional and economic benefit; at times, a
tyranny far worse than any class-based expropriation or repression

Herodotus Persian Wars TranslGeoRawlinson

D46 The Euxine sea, where Darius now went to war, has nations
dwelling around it, with the one exception of the Scythians, more
unpolished than those of any other region that we know of. For,
setting aside Anacharsis and the Scythian people, there is not within
this region a single nation which can be put forward as having any
claims to wisdom, or which has produced a single person of any high
repute.. Having neither cities nor forts, and carrying their
dwellings with them wherever they go; accustomed, moreover, one and
all of them, to shoot from horseback; and living not by husbandry but
on their cattle, their waggons the only houses that they possess, how
can they fail of being unconquerable, and unassailable even?

Redfield Peasant Society 1956 Chicago LC56-6654

p65 peasant admits his relative inferiority as to culture and manners but
naturally claims the virtue accorded him and sees the city man as idle, or
false, or extravagant. He sees himself as low with regard to the common
culture but nevertheless with a way of life morally superior to that of the
townsman

p73 Every aspect of tribal life is everybody's business

p117 The possibility presents itself that around the Mediterranean Sea the
prestige of the town, the polis, carried with it at an early date the
peasant's distaste for agricultural life

Lincoln's Vitures Wm Lee Miller 2003 Knopf 0-375-40158-x

p43 religious skepticism.. In a society of hunters, Lincoln did not
hunt.. fled from farming.. avoided anual labor.. when a temperance movement
condemend all drinking, Lincoln the non-drinker did not join

Thucydides Peloponnesian War TransBenjJowett

A141 men who cultivate their own lands are more ready to serve with
their persons than with their property; they do not despair of their
lives, but they soon grow anxious lest their money should all be
spent, especially if the war in which they are engaged is protracted
beyond their calculation, as may well be the case.


7Essays on Christian Greece, Demetrios Bikelas, Garnder, Paisley, 1890
[repr Scottish_Review]

p14 This Legitimist sentiment, so marked by the New Rome, was
certainly not derived from the Old.. in England the scrupulous
retention of certain old-world official customs.. ridiculous in the
eyes of foreigners, is accompanied by the most perfect excercise of liberty

p63 [quotes Finlay] "The authority exercised by the Senate, the powers
possessed by the Synods and General Councils of the Church, and the
importance often attached by the Emperors to the ratification of their laws
by silentia and popular assemblies, mark a change in the Byzantine Empire, in
strong contrast with the earlier military Empire of the Romans.. power..
transferred from the army to the laws.. humanity.. visible in the mild
treatment of many unsuccessful usurpers and dethroned Emperors.. [coronation
oath, Kodinos, de Officiis cap xvii] to abide and perpetually be found a
faithful and sincere servant and son of Holy Church, and moreover her
defender and avenger.. abstain from bloodshed.. [.].. many of the worst
Emperors were deposed by popular indignation

p65 [M A Rambaud "Le Monde Byzantine et l'Hippodrome" Rvu Deux
Mondes, 15AUG1871 - at the Hippodrome] Byzantine people made and
unmade Emperors; there that justice was administered and the guilty
punished, and that triumphs were celebrated over barbarians and
rebels; there that the masses grazed upon wonders of art and of nature

p74 It was the Byzantine Empire also which resisted the very first
political pretensions of the Popes

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Spirit of Truth
2006-08-06 06:30:48 UTC
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"Macedon" <***@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:***@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...

Bulgar, keep your filthy racist lies out of here.

And remember, your mother told you that you will die a Bulgar as you were
born,
so stop disrespecting her.

You only have to look here to see that the Fyrom Slavic majority are simply
West Bulgarians, like yourself, and have no connection to 'Macedonia'
anything:

In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:
"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10
to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own
intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient
name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one
on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced:
they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other
Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets
I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the
"Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to
as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the
original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is
available for examination and study)
Here is the text in the original:

"No pochudno e imeto Makedonci, koeto naskoro, edvay predi 10-15 godini, ni
natrapiha i to otvqn, a ne kakto nyakoi mislyat ot samata nasha
inteligenciya... Narodqt obache v Makedoniya ne znae nishto za tova
arhaichesko, a dnes, s lukava cel ot edna strana, s glupeshka ot druga,
podnoveno prozvishte; toy si znae postaroto: Bugari, makar i nepravilno
proiznasyano, daje osvoyava si go kato sobstveno i preimushtestveno svoe,
nejeli za drugite Bqlgari. Za tova shte vidite i v predgovora na izpratenite
mi knijici. Toy naricha Bugarski ezik svoeto Makaedono-bqlgarsko narechie,
kogato drugite bqlgarski narechiya naricha Shopski."


And here:


Reference source for Gotse Delchev's numerous utterings of 'We are
Bulgarians'......

http://www.ucc.ie/staff/jprodr/macedonia/macmodnat2.html

Even Gotse Delchev, the famous Macedonian revolutionary leader, whose nom de
guerre was Ahil (Achilles), refers to "the Slavs of Macedonia as
'Bulgarians' in an offhanded manner without seeming to indicate that such a
designation was a point of contention" (Perry 1988:23).
In his correspondence Gotse Delchev often states clearly and simply, "We are
Bulgarians" (MacDermott 1978:192,273).


And here:


For fair use only.

http://members.tripod.com/~dimobetchev/documents/ilinden.htm

" Considering the critical and terrible situation that the Bulgarian
population of the Bitola Vilayet found itself in and following the ravages
and cruelties done by the Turkish troops and irregulars, ... considering
the fact that everything Bulgarian runs the risk of perishing and
disappearing without a trace because of violence, hunger, and the upcoming
misery, the Head Quarters finds it to be its obligation to draw the
attention of the respected Bulgarian government to the pernicious
consequences vis-a-vis the Bulgarian nation, in case the latter does not
fulfill its duty towards its brethren of race here in an imposing fashion
which is necessary by virtue of the present ordeal for the common Bulgarian
Fatherland...

...Being in command of our people's movement, we appeal to you on behalf of
the enslaved Bulgarian to help him in the most effective way - by waging
war.We believe that the response of the people in free Bulgaria will be the
same.

... No bulgarian school is opened, neither will it be opened... Nobody
thinks of education when he is outlawed by the state because he bears the
name Bulgar...


Waiting for your patriotic intervention, we are pleased to inform you that
we have in our disposition the armed forces we have spared by now.

The Head Quarters of the Ilinden Uprising"

Damian GRUEV, Boris SARAFOV, Atanas LOZANTCHEV

This memorandum was handed to Dr.Kozhuharov, the Bulgarian consul in Bitola,

and transmitted by him to the government in Sofia with report N441 from
September 17th, 1903. "

And here:


http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/document.htm

http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/documen1.htm

http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/documen2.htm

http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/documen3.htm

http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/drzhava.htm

http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/exarchy.htm

http://w3.tyenet.com/kozlich/mapovska4a.htm

And finally here

http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/bitola06.htm

http://www.historymuseum.org/items.php3?nid=199&name=ochrid



from: Spirit of Truth

(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
ﻡжiЯפ Я ©®@ρ
2006-08-04 13:06:38 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Explain this you Skopians.
Why are all the names in the Macedonian Mule Corps of 1914 GWeek ?
Greeks are the best goatherds and mule-drivers in the world

Everyone knows that nobody fucks a mules ass quite like a Gweek
muleteer

Guess what AgyWos G ArgyWou.....

I found my favourite GWeek name in there

Description Medal card of Emanuel Stoupidis
Macedonian Mule Corps 9121 Muleteer

*ROTFFLOL* That's a TRUE Gweek name aint it ! Stoupidis *LOLOLOL*
Post by Agamemnon
Need I go on......
Yeah you need to go on and find the Slavic and Armenian names in this
"BRITISH" regiment you soft twat....

Like errrrmmmm

Victor, M Kassilian


Medal card of Vicovich, I

Corps: Macedonian Mule Corps
Regiment No: 3340
Rank: Muleteer

Medal card of Vili Halil
Medal card of Thomas, Cleon
Medal card of Savas, K Akill
*LOL* that's on page ONE you dull anus

Medal card of Vicovich, J
Medal card of Calise, T
Medal card of Sozos Mina
Medal card of Evagoras Nicolaou



But here's my favourite ArgyWos, it PROVES that a hunt for your
NON-Cypwiot Welatives took you to that nice BRITISH archive

Description Medal card of Evagoras Arghyrou
Corps Regiment No Rank
Macedonian Mule Corps 5949(Incomplete) Muleteer

Date 1914-1920

ANOTHER MULETEER ARGYROU !

Mbouuuuuhahahahahahahahahahahharrr
Panta Rhei
2006-08-04 14:08:33 UTC
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ﻡжiЯפ Я ©®@ρ, a full-blown psychopath, as you can see, writes:

<snip all the proof of the poor idiot's psychopathy>

alt.asshole.sean-ruttledge added! LOL
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If stupidity had financial value you'd be stinking rich, Seanie.
Spirit of Truth
2006-08-06 06:44:40 UTC
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"??i?? ? ��@?" <***@aol.com> wrote in message news:***@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...

We are getting bored with your crap, Turk.


Spirit of Truth

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ﻡжiЯפ Я ©®@ρ
2006-08-07 00:51:21 UTC
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Post by Spirit of Truth
We are getting bored with your crap, Turk.
*ROTFFLMFAOAY*

Rich, coming from the FREAK that has spammed this SAME LAME ARTCLE 300
times

http://groups.google.com/groups/search?ie=UTF-8&q=%22Vol+8+%2311%2C+November+2000%22


LA Crack bitch
Post by Spirit of Truth
Spirit of Meths
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Spirit of Truth
2006-08-07 06:46:28 UTC
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"??i?? ? ��@?" <***@aol.com> wrote in message news:***@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...


Turk, wash your mouth out with soap.

And, yes, we are getting bored with your crap, Turk.


Spirit of Truth

(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
macedonianmediamonitor
2006-08-06 18:14:53 UTC
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Hi you Fashists!
I will call my self as I want and my ONLY NAME I KNOW is Macedonia. So
what you will do about that? Claim another EXODUS?
Tell me about your fashisitic democracy? About EXODUS you made in
Second world WAR! about 1 milion people you killed ? What do you
think that this people wil ever forget their identity their home land?
You can stole everything but not a Identity of inviduals! MACEDONIA is
looking for peace solutions all the time during these 15 years of high
presure about issue of name, which is becaming a total absurd! One more
thing which proves that you are supporting a fashist ideology: Tell me
about your antisemitism? Tell me about all inocents victims you kill in
the name of the BIG GREEK LIE? You occupied Aegean Macedonian part of
the country and destroy a whole generations of people. In Macedonia (
occupied) still live a lot of as you called them slav macedonians Their
names are changed to greek and they can not claim them self as
macedonian cause your goverment threating them all the time! And stop
in the name of Humaity all this silly games and humiliations which are
not leading to any progress both for Greek people and Macedonian.
And WE are definitlly not a Skopians, as you are not Athenians?
and please let me know one thing: who wash your brains like this? do
you have any self respect, or you are blind marionets in the hands of
the some "big stupid brother"
Is real shame to talk on these subjects in the new era where all
civilized world is talking about globalizations...
PEACE AND PROSPER
MACEDONIAN which origin is not from Macedonia :-)
Post by Agamemnon
Explain this you Skopians.
Why are all the names in the Macedonian Mule Corps of 1914 Greek ?
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=powersearch&query=scope%3dmacedonian%20mule%20corps&catid=10&mediaarray=*&pagenumber=1&querytype=1
Where are the Skopjian names ?
Paschalis, Savya
Loucas, Haji Achillea
Joannou, Joanis
Christos, Stratis
Condopoulos, Eurepide
Barevaris, E
Victor Vernandakis
Tzorzis Christofi
Callis Panayi
Sozos Mina
Heraklis, Toghli Michael
Heraklis, Yeorghi
Hambis Yianni
Demosthenis Michael
Demosthenis Cosma
Demetris, K Skourmorini
Demetris Constandinou
Demetris Christodulou Shakalli
Need I go on......
You Fyromians know full well that prior to 1945 FYROM was never called
Macedonia but Vardaska Banovinia.
The only Macedonia is Greece !
Istor the Macedonian
2006-08-06 22:57:01 UTC
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You are right, you are SlavoSkopians.
Macedonians have always been Greeks.

Educate yourself:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/415923/

Istor
Macedonian, therefore Greek
Post by macedonianmediamonitor
Hi you Fashists!
..................................
Post by macedonianmediamonitor
And WE are definitlly not a Skopians, as you are not Athenians?
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
ﻡжiЯפ Я ©®@ρ
2006-08-07 00:31:27 UTC
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Post by Istor the Macedonian
You are right, you are
Yes Phistor OF COURSE they are right

Oh and the tally of nations that now recognises the "Republic of
Macedonia" is 148

*LMFAOAY*

Do you know a wanker named Kostas Papafloratos ( Papaflorescu ) He
lives in the COUNTY of Macedonia in grease but he's a Vlachoi

PWNT


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Spirit of Truth
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Vol. 8, #11, November 2000


pp. 28-31


Torturing Cypriot History
Hostile Environment of Yesteryear Still Remembered


by Matthew J. Stowell


As an American with no Cypriot or Greek ancestry, I understand how Cyprus'
complex and, to most Americans, obscure past can make many easy prey to the
disinformation fed our press by the Turkish government.


A common propaganda bite used by the Turkish state to legitimize its 1974
invasion of Cyprus is that "The Greek Cypriots then unleashed a campaign of
extermination and eviction that killed or wounded thousands and drove a
frightening percentage of Turkish Cypriots into besieged enclaves.."
(Insight Magazine, "Fences Might Be the Right Thing for Multiethnic Nation
of Cyprus", Ahmet Erdengiz, Feb. 7).


This claim has been refuted by findings of impartial sources such as the UN
Secretary General's report No. S/5950, para. 142 which confirms that as a
result of the brief but turbulent period of hostilities between Greek and
Turkish-Cypriot extremists from December 21, 1963 to June 8, 1964, a total
of 43 Greek Cypriots and 232 Turkish Cypriots are missing and presumed dead.
Clearly, this was no "campaign of extermination".


Moreover, these deaths were a direct result of Britain's documented policy
of arming Turkish separatists and encouraging Greco-Turkish conflict to
facilitate its control over Cyprus.


While extremists of both communities are to blame for intercommunal
violence, fueled by British attempts to prevent this overwhelmingly Greek
island-nation from achieving its self-determination, history is clear that
Turkish extremists initiated the cycle of violence that claimed victims on
both sides.


In June of 1958, a bomb explosion outside the information office of the
Turkish Consulate-- later shown to have been planted by Turkish extremists
(the "TMT")--set off the first intercommunal clashes on Cyprus. As noted by
British author Christopher Hitchens in his highly acclaimed work on Cyprus,
Hostage to History, the self-proclaimed president of Cyprus' occupation
regime, Rauf Denktash, admitted in a 1984 interview that it was a Turkish
Cypriot friend who planted the bomb. As a result, "Turkish Cypriots
promptly burned out a neighboring district of Greek shops and homes, in what
was to be the first Greek-Turkish physical confrontation on the island. A
curfew was imposed, and Greek guerrillas [were] blamed [by British
authorities] for the bomb as they were for everything else."


Next the British released from jail eight Greek Cypriot EOKA fighters,
forcing them to walk through the Turkish village of Guenyeli, where they
were quickly set upon and murdered. Thus began two months of violence by
extremists on both sides, killing 56 Greeks and 53 Turks. Tellingly, the
British arrested 2,000 Greeks, but only 60 Turks.


In addition to the hostile environment that was created by combatants on
both sides, there was a second factor that led to the polarization of both
communities: with a view toward partition, the Turks withdrew from
predominantly Greek areas and evicted Greeks from areas where Turks were in
the majority. In a single week over 600 families, two-thirds of them Greek,
left their homes, and many Turks who left Greek areas did so under intense
pressure from Turkish separatists.


Turkish Cypriots who favored compromise or a close relationship between the
two ethnic communities were targets of TMT violence. Turks caught smoking
Greek cigarettes or visiting Greek shops were beaten, and Turkish gangs
forced some Turkish Cypriots to resign from Greek Cypriot trade unions. In
Limassol, a Turkish Cypriot owner of a restaurant popular with Greeks was
threatened and later murdered by the TMT. Two progressive-thinking,
London-educated Turkish barristers who spoke against partition were killed
outright by these same Turkish gangs.


Turkish extremists forced several thousand Turkish peasants to abandon their
farms and animals and move into an overcrowded Turkish enclave in Nicosia.
"Thus the aim of partition, camouflaged by Turkish propaganda as
'federation,' was relentlessly pursued regardless of loss of human life and
the human misery created. However, this so-called 'first phase' of the
invasion of Cyprus by Turkey only partly succeeded, since well over half of
its brethren refused to obey instructions to abandon their homes for the
predetermined enclaves" (The Making of Modern Cyprus, Panteli). On December
23, 1963, Turkish gangs also moved through the Armenian quarter of Nicosia
and forced the inhabitants at gunpoint to leave their houses, shops, church,
school and clubs to make room for more Turks.


This forced population transfer continues in occupied Cyprus today. Since
1974, Turkey has relocated over 125,000 mainland Turks to northern Cyprus.
In this clearly illegal, Soviet-style effort to alter the demographics of
northern Cyprus, one which the UN has condemned, Turkey has displaced not
only the few remaining Greek Cypriots but also Turkish Cypriots, who are
often treated as second-class citizens and denied the rights and privileges
of the alien settlers from Turkey.


As a result, a diminishing number of Cyprus' indigenous Turks remain.
Turkey has made it easy for them to obtain visas to emigrate, and they have
left en masse, mostly for Britain and Turkey as well as other Mideast
countries; some have even escaped through the Green Line and returned to the
Greek south.


Apologists for Turkey's invasion disingenuously omit the imperative fact
that it is the Greek Cypriot community that bore the overwhelming brunt of
violence on Cyprus. As a result of Turkey's 1974 invasion, fittingly
codenamed "Operation Attila", Turkish troops perpetrated more than 6,000
killings, widespread rape, torture, the systematic obliteration of cultural
property including the destruction of churches, and the ethnic cleansing of
200,000 Greek Cypriots--making them refugees in their own country and
bringing twenty-six years of heartbreak for the families of more than 1,500
missing persons.


Placing Turkey's invasion of neighboring Cyprus in a contemporary context,
four times as many Greek Cypriots were killed by Turkish troops as Albanians
were killed in Kosovo prior to NATO's intervention--and in one-sixth the
time frame. Yet Serbia was bombed back to the Stone Age, while Turkey's
occupation of Cyprus continues to enjoy tacit US support.


In numerous applications to the European Human Rights Commission, Turkey was
found guilty of widespread violations of human rights in Cyprus. Although
the European Court of Human Rights has ordered the Turkish government to
compensate Greek Cypriot Titina Loizidou for the loss of her property seized
during its invasion, Turkey remains the only member of the 40-nation Council
of Europe to refuse compliance with a compensation order from its human
rights court -- a breach that could lead to Turkey's expulsion from the
Council.


The 1963 constitution forced on the Cypriots by the British in a
take-it-or-leave-it standoff--with the alternative being partition--was
known as "the most rigid, inflexible, and probably the most complicated in
the world" (S.A. DeSmith, The New Commonwealth and Its Constituents). The
president, a Greek Cypriot, and the vice president, a Turkish Cypriot, could
each veto legislation. Despite comprising only 18% of the population,
Turkish Cypriots were granted three of the ten seats in the Council of
Ministers and thirty percent of the deputy positions in the House of
Representatives. A Turkish Cypriot was to be made minister of defense,
foreign affairs and finance. Turkish Cypriots were allotted 30% of the
civil service jobs and 40% of the command positions in the Army. Any change
to the constitution required a two-thirds majority of representatives from
both communities. Even the most rudimentary of governmental functions
became impracticable--for example the Turkish Cypriot leadership's voting
against income and other taxes had placed the government in danger of
bankruptcy. In short, the government was hog-tied; Cyprus' very undoing was
written into its own constitution.


Other assertions by the Turkish government, that "President Makarios craved
union with Greece and the subjugation of Turkish Cypriots . and proposed
amendments to the constitution to achieve these objectives" (Insight
Magazine, Feb. 7), are patently false. By the time this ill-conceived
marriage of a government and its unworkable constitution was imposed on
Cyprus, Makarios was opposed to union with Greece. He sought complete
independence for Cyprus and a unified sovereign state that protected the
rights of all Cypriots, both Greek and Turkish.


It was precisely because Makarios opposed union with Greece that Greek
extremists shelled the presidential palace and twice attempted to
assassinate him. The amendments he proposed to the constitution were
designed to make the government (which has been described by legal experts
as "the first in the world to be denied majority rule by its own
constitution") somewhat workable and to reflect a closer approximation of
the true ratio of Greeks to Turks in Cyprus. Makarios submitted these
proposals to the Vice President, a Turkish Cypriot, who did not respond.
Instead, the Turkish government, reflecting its dominant role in separatist
efforts, answered for him: Turkey rejected the proposals out of hand and
forbade the Turkish Cypriots from even discussing them. Shortly thereafter,
the Turkish Cypriots abandoned the government completely.


Turkey's 1974 assault on Cyprus is commonly referred to by many in the media
as a "landing", a "dispatch of troops" or as anything other than what it
was: a brutal invasion. Turkey also misleadingly argues that the invasion
was authorized by the Treaty of Guarantee. The Treaty of Guarantee provided
that one of the guarantor powers (England, Greece or Turkey) could intervene
in an emergency but only in order to restore the country to its original
(unified) state, and certainly not to partition, ethnically cleanse or
occupy it. And under the U.S.-Turkey Agreement of July 1947, American
consent was required for the use of military force by Turkey because
virtually all of Turkey's military equipment, weapons, tanks and fighter
jets, was supplied by the U.S. This consent was never given. On the very
day of the invasion, July 20, 1974, the United Nations Security Council
condemned Turkey for its aggression, demanding that Turkey withdraw all
troops and allow the displaced Greek Cypriots to return to their confiscated
homes.


There have been at least three further UN resolutions since 1974 demanding
the same, but Turkey has ignored them all. This is why the "Turkish
Republic of Northern Cyprus," the TRNC, is not recognized by any country in
the world except for Turkey and has no legitimate international standing.


The continuing insistence on partition by Turkey, using the protection of
the Turkish-Cypriot community as a pretext, is merely part of Turkey's
long-held expansionist plans for the island. According to Professor John L.
Scherer, in Blocking the Sun: The Cyprus Conflict, "Since the 1950s, [Turkey
's] plan had been to turn northern Cyprus into a Turkish-run province.
Ankara needed an excuse to intervene, and that was provided by George Grivas
and EOKA fighters. If there had been no EOKA, however, the Turks and
Turkish Cypriots would have found another pretext. They would have planted
their own bombs in Turkish-Cypriot areas and blamed the Greek Cypriots in
order to justify the Turkish invasion."


Attempts are also made to minimize the 80% Greek majority's cultural and
historical claim to the island through assertions like: "Turkish and Greek
Cypriots occupied the island for centuries under a succession of sovereigns
before the Republic of Cyprus was established in 1960" (Insight Magazine,
Feb. 7).


Because of its geo-strategic position in the Mediterranean and the bounty of
its natural resources, Cyprus has been invaded and intermittently ruled over
by many: Phoenicians, Assyrians, Persians, Romans, English, Lusignans,
Genoese, Marmelukes, Venetians, Ottomans, and again the English. The
Ottomans invaded in 1571 and controlled Cyprus for three hundred years (its
longest period of cultural stagnation), but through all of its decidedly
civilized history it has remained a Greek nation in language, architecture,
art, music, culture and spirit.


As noted by Christopher Hitchens in Hostage to History, "the complexity and
variety of Cypriot history cannot efface, any more than could its numerous
owners and rulers, one striking fact. The island has been, since the Bronze
Age, unmistakably Greek." Out of 7,000 years of history, the Turks have
been in Cyprus a mere 300 years. Based on this and an 18% minority, Turkey'
s military establishment, with a seemingly truncated memory, believes that
Cyprus should be part of Turkey.


Most troubling for the future of Cyprus is the apartheid-like creed,
parroted by some journalists covering the issue, that Greek Cypriots and
Turkish Cypriots will never be able to live in harmony (although they did so
for three hundred years), therefore let's maintain the Attila Line that has
been imposed on both communities by the Turkish military and forget about
finding a solution. It is no accident that this is identical to the
argument used by Turkish extremists in the 1950s to promote the idea of
partition-one separate state for Turkish Cypriots, another for Greeks.


It is this very separatist objective-engineered by Turkey's ruling military
establishment to achieve its goal of taksim, or the partition of Cyprus (and
further exacerbated by Britain, America and the Greek junta's disastrous
intrigues in Cyprus)-that initiated the cycle of violence by extremists of
both communities in 1963 after centuries of peaceful coexistence.


While Turkey has refused to allow Greek Cypriot refugees to return to their
homes in the occupied north, the Cypriot Government has kept Turkish-Cypriot
homes in trust for them in the hope that they will one day return when
Cyprus is united.


Situated in the UN-controlled buffer-zone, Pyla serves as an example of what
can be achieved when the divisive effect of Turkey's occupation regime is
removed. It is one of the few villages on the island where Greek and
Turkish Cypriots still live together peacefully as they had done for
centuries.


A recent mobilization by Turkish Cypriots to find a blood donor for a
6-year-old Greek Cypriot boy with leukemia further underscores the
speciousness of the myth, propagated for the very purpose of keeping Cyprus
divided, that both communities are somehow inherently incapable of living
together.


Another disinformation bite promoted by the Turkish government and its
spindoctors here is that the Turkish-occupied part of the island functions
as a democracy.


As confirmed by the State Department's most recent Human Rights Report and
by independent human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and
Human Rights Watch, Turkey is among the worst human rights violators on
earth, where torture and extra-judicial killings remain a part of its
political landscape. For the fifth consecutive year the Turkish state has
led the world in imprisoned journalists ahead of China and Syria, and has
recently admitted to using death squads to kill as many as 14,000 people
since the 1980's.


As the TRNC is in reality a puppet administration that answers directly to
the Turkish state, the same authoritarian repression that afflicts Turkey
also pervades occupied Cyprus. Turkish Cypriots critical of Denktash's
occupation regime have asked that their identities be kept confidential, as
one economics professor did, for example, when interviewed by the BBC ("the
fact that she didn't want to be identified was significant", BBC News,
9/1/98).


The assassination of prominent Turkish Cypriot journalist Kutlu Adali in
1996 is instructive--his assassination is widely attributed to extremists
working on behalf of the Turkish state. According to Professor Claire
Palley, a British constitutional law expert, Adali was murdered six days
after the European Human Rights Commission declared Cyprus' application
against Turkey admissible and "after it became obvious he would have been a
witness" in the case. Adali's writings had been extensively quoted in the
application, and Palley stated that Adali "proved Turkey's colonisation of
Cyprus . . . [and its] compelling Turkish Cypriots to emigrate"


Anyone who wants to believe that the TRNC is a democracy will soon be
disappointed upon visiting occupied Cyprus, and taking note of the
square-helmeted, goose-stepping soldiers wielding machine guns on every
corner. Cross the Green Line in Nicosia into the Turkish sector and try to
photograph any building or videotape any street scene and you will soon find
yourself camera-less, in jail, or both.


That apologists of the occupation regime are under the misperception that
this is how a democracy should function is indeed part of the problem. And,
much like the situation with the former Berlin Wall, now there are Turkish
Cypriots from the north escaping to the south to return to their old
neighborhoods among the Greeks; their homes, as guaranteed by Cypriot law,
still waiting for them.


As was recently reported by Gregory Copley of The International Strategic
Studies Association in Washington DC, "[t]he Turkish Cypriots' standard of
living has declined compared with that of their Greek Cypriot neighbors
since 1974. Turkish Cypriots, with 37 percent of the land and the best
agricultural and tourist areas of the island, earn only 30 percent of the
average wage of the Greek Cypriots."


European Foreign Affairs Commissioner Hans van den Broek protested that the
Turkish Cypriot community was being "victimized" and withheld from "a better
and more prosperous future" as a result of Turkey's insistence on an
occupied and divided Cyprus.


An increasing number of Turkish Cypriots have realized that the future of a
prosperous Cyprus is a united one without Turkish troops. Rejecting the
hard-line partitionist stand of the occupation regime, in October 1999 an
influential bloc of 23 Turkish-Cypriot trade unions and professional
organizations appealed directly to visiting U.S. envoy Alfred Moses to work
for the reunification of war-divided Cyprus on the basis of UN Security
Council resolutions that call for a unified Cyprus and a withdrawal of
occupation troops.


The TRNC's occupation regime has trapped Turkish Cypriots in a political and
economic black hole, all the while importing Turks from the depths of
Anatolia to wrest control from Cyprus' native Turkish population. As a
result, as many as half of all Turkish-Cypriots have fled their own homeland
in search of greater economic and political freedom elsewhere.


In conclusion, it should be emphasized that there were extremists on both
sides of the Cyprus conflict, while power-brokering by colonial-minded
Britain and interventionist violence by junta-era Greece clearly added fuel
to the Cypriot powder keg. But insiders know that it was Turkish designs
for partition that ultimately caused the breakdown in government and the
terrible tragedy of 1974, the repercussions of which all indigenous
Cypriots, both Greek and Turk, are still suffering today.


Cyprus is Berlin all over again, with one difference. Rather than taking
the side of civilian-controlled governments, pluralistic societies, and
democratic values, our own government has instead decided to ratify
invasion, occupation, and transnational aggression in order to sustain an
alliance of increasingly questionable value.
_______


About the author: Matthew J. Stowell is an Associate with the American
Hellenic Media Project (AHMP), a non-profit think-tank created to address
bias in the media and encourage independent, ethical and responsible
journalism. Commentaries, letters and opinion/editorials by AHMP have been
published in The Boston Globe, The Chicago Tribune, The Christian Science
Monitor, The Dallas Morning News, The Detroit News, The Economist, The
Financial Times, Forbes Global, The Miami Herald, The New York Post, The New
York Times, The Toronto Sun, USA Today, The Village Voice, The Wall Street
Journal, The Washington Post, The Washington Times and World Press Review.


A shorter version of this article was published in the form of a letter to
the editor of Insight Magazine.


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From: Spirit of Truth


(using June's e-mail to communicate to you)!
choro-nik
2006-08-07 21:20:06 UTC
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"As an American with no Cypriot or Greek ancestry................."

How many times are you 'gona' post this article, June? I guess it is not
copyrighted or did you buy the copyrights outright? If you had to pay
whoever the writer is a dollar or two each time you publish it, I dare say
he must be a rich man by now.

I see only the "Spirit" of Truth remains now. Obviously Truth must have
passed away at some stage or maybe it is turning over in its grave. LOL
--
choro-nik
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Post by Spirit of Truth
What makes you think repeating your lies make it any less lies, troll?
MEDIA BYPASS
Vol. 8, #11, November 2000
pp. 28-31
Torturing Cypriot History
Hostile Environment of Yesteryear Still Remembered
by Matthew J. Stowell
As an American with no Cypriot or Greek ancestry, I understand how Cyprus'
complex and, to most Americans, obscure past can make many easy prey to the
disinformation fed our press by the Turkish government.
A common propaganda bite used by the Turkish state to legitimize its 1974
invasion of Cyprus is that "The Greek Cypriots then unleashed a campaign of
extermination and eviction that killed or wounded thousands and drove a
frightening percentage of Turkish Cypriots into besieged enclaves.."
(Insight Magazine, "Fences Might Be the Right Thing for Multiethnic Nation
of Cyprus", Ahmet Erdengiz, Feb. 7).
This claim has been refuted by findings of impartial sources such as the UN
Secretary General's report No. S/5950, para. 142 which confirms that as a
result of the brief but turbulent period of hostilities between Greek and
Turkish-Cypriot extremists from December 21, 1963 to June 8, 1964, a total
of 43 Greek Cypriots and 232 Turkish Cypriots are missing and presumed dead.
Clearly, this was no "campaign of extermination".
Moreover, these deaths were a direct result of Britain's documented policy
of arming Turkish separatists and encouraging Greco-Turkish conflict to
facilitate its control over Cyprus.
While extremists of both communities are to blame for intercommunal
violence, fueled by British attempts to prevent this overwhelmingly Greek
island-nation from achieving its self-determination, history is clear that
Turkish extremists initiated the cycle of violence that claimed victims on
both sides.
In June of 1958, a bomb explosion outside the information office of the
Turkish Consulate-- later shown to have been planted by Turkish extremists
(the "TMT")--set off the first intercommunal clashes on Cyprus. As noted by
British author Christopher Hitchens in his highly acclaimed work on Cyprus,
Hostage to History, the self-proclaimed president of Cyprus' occupation
regime, Rauf Denktash, admitted in a 1984 interview that it was a Turkish
Cypriot friend who planted the bomb. As a result, "Turkish Cypriots
promptly burned out a neighboring district of Greek shops and homes, in what
was to be the first Greek-Turkish physical confrontation on the island. A
curfew was imposed, and Greek guerrillas [were] blamed [by British
authorities] for the bomb as they were for everything else."
Next the British released from jail eight Greek Cypriot EOKA fighters,
forcing them to walk through the Turkish village of Guenyeli, where they
were quickly set upon and murdered. Thus began two months of violence by
extremists on both sides, killing 56 Greeks and 53 Turks. Tellingly, the
British arrested 2,000 Greeks, but only 60 Turks.
In addition to the hostile environment that was created by combatants on
both sides, there was a second factor that led to the polarization of both
communities: with a view toward partition, the Turks withdrew from
predominantly Greek areas and evicted Greeks from areas where Turks were in
the majority. In a single week over 600 families, two-thirds of them Greek,
left their homes, and many Turks who left Greek areas did so under intense
pressure from Turkish separatists.
Turkish Cypriots who favored compromise or a close relationship between the
two ethnic communities were targets of TMT violence. Turks caught smoking
Greek cigarettes or visiting Greek shops were beaten, and Turkish gangs
forced some Turkish Cypriots to resign from Greek Cypriot trade unions.
In
Limassol, a Turkish Cypriot owner of a restaurant popular with Greeks was
threatened and later murdered by the TMT. Two progressive-thinking,
London-educated Turkish barristers who spoke against partition were killed
outright by these same Turkish gangs.
Turkish extremists forced several thousand Turkish peasants to abandon their
farms and animals and move into an overcrowded Turkish enclave in Nicosia.
"Thus the aim of partition, camouflaged by Turkish propaganda as
'federation,' was relentlessly pursued regardless of loss of human life and
the human misery created. However, this so-called 'first phase' of the
invasion of Cyprus by Turkey only partly succeeded, since well over half of
its brethren refused to obey instructions to abandon their homes for the
predetermined enclaves" (The Making of Modern Cyprus, Panteli). On December
23, 1963, Turkish gangs also moved through the Armenian quarter of Nicosia
and forced the inhabitants at gunpoint to leave their houses, shops, church,
school and clubs to make room for more Turks.
This forced population transfer continues in occupied Cyprus today. Since
1974, Turkey has relocated over 125,000 mainland Turks to northern Cyprus.
In this clearly illegal, Soviet-style effort to alter the demographics of
northern Cyprus, one which the UN has condemned, Turkey has displaced not
only the few remaining Greek Cypriots but also Turkish Cypriots, who are
often treated as second-class citizens and denied the rights and privileges
of the alien settlers from Turkey.
As a result, a diminishing number of Cyprus' indigenous Turks remain.
Turkey has made it easy for them to obtain visas to emigrate, and they have
left en masse, mostly for Britain and Turkey as well as other Mideast
countries; some have even escaped through the Green Line and returned to the
Greek south.
Apologists for Turkey's invasion disingenuously omit the imperative fact
that it is the Greek Cypriot community that bore the overwhelming brunt of
violence on Cyprus. As a result of Turkey's 1974 invasion, fittingly
codenamed "Operation Attila", Turkish troops perpetrated more than 6,000
killings, widespread rape, torture, the systematic obliteration of cultural
property including the destruction of churches, and the ethnic cleansing of
200,000 Greek Cypriots--making them refugees in their own country and
bringing twenty-six years of heartbreak for the families of more than 1,500
missing persons.
Placing Turkey's invasion of neighboring Cyprus in a contemporary context,
four times as many Greek Cypriots were killed by Turkish troops as Albanians
were killed in Kosovo prior to NATO's intervention--and in one-sixth the
time frame. Yet Serbia was bombed back to the Stone Age, while Turkey's
occupation of Cyprus continues to enjoy tacit US support.
In numerous applications to the European Human Rights Commission, Turkey was
found guilty of widespread violations of human rights in Cyprus. Although
the European Court of Human Rights has ordered the Turkish government to
compensate Greek Cypriot Titina Loizidou for the loss of her property seized
during its invasion, Turkey remains the only member of the 40-nation Council
of Europe to refuse compliance with a compensation order from its human
rights court -- a breach that could lead to Turkey's expulsion from the
Council.
The 1963 constitution forced on the Cypriots by the British in a
take-it-or-leave-it standoff--with the alternative being partition--was
known as "the most rigid, inflexible, and probably the most complicated in
the world" (S.A. DeSmith, The New Commonwealth and Its Constituents). The
president, a Greek Cypriot, and the vice president, a Turkish Cypriot, could
each veto legislation. Despite comprising only 18% of the population,
Turkish Cypriots were granted three of the ten seats in the Council of
Ministers and thirty percent of the deputy positions in the House of
Representatives. A Turkish Cypriot was to be made minister of defense,
foreign affairs and finance. Turkish Cypriots were allotted 30% of the
civil service jobs and 40% of the command positions in the Army. Any change
to the constitution required a two-thirds majority of representatives from
both communities. Even the most rudimentary of governmental functions
became impracticable--for example the Turkish Cypriot leadership's voting
against income and other taxes had placed the government in danger of
bankruptcy. In short, the government was hog-tied; Cyprus' very undoing was
written into its own constitution.
Other assertions by the Turkish government, that "President Makarios craved
union with Greece and the subjugation of Turkish Cypriots . and proposed
amendments to the constitution to achieve these objectives" (Insight
Magazine, Feb. 7), are patently false. By the time this ill-conceived
marriage of a government and its unworkable constitution was imposed on
Cyprus, Makarios was opposed to union with Greece. He sought complete
independence for Cyprus and a unified sovereign state that protected the
rights of all Cypriots, both Greek and Turkish.
It was precisely because Makarios opposed union with Greece that Greek
extremists shelled the presidential palace and twice attempted to
assassinate him. The amendments he proposed to the constitution were
designed to make the government (which has been described by legal experts
as "the first in the world to be denied majority rule by its own
constitution") somewhat workable and to reflect a closer approximation of
the true ratio of Greeks to Turks in Cyprus. Makarios submitted these
proposals to the Vice President, a Turkish Cypriot, who did not respond.
Instead, the Turkish government, reflecting its dominant role in separatist
efforts, answered for him: Turkey rejected the proposals out of hand and
forbade the Turkish Cypriots from even discussing them. Shortly thereafter,
the Turkish Cypriots abandoned the government completely.
Turkey's 1974 assault on Cyprus is commonly referred to by many in the media
as a "landing", a "dispatch of troops" or as anything other than what it
was: a brutal invasion. Turkey also misleadingly argues that the invasion
was authorized by the Treaty of Guarantee. The Treaty of Guarantee provided
that one of the guarantor powers (England, Greece or Turkey) could intervene
in an emergency but only in order to restore the country to its original
(unified) state, and certainly not to partition, ethnically cleanse or
occupy it. And under the U.S.-Turkey Agreement of July 1947, American
consent was required for the use of military force by Turkey because
virtually all of Turkey's military equipment, weapons, tanks and fighter
jets, was supplied by the U.S. This consent was never given. On the very
day of the invasion, July 20, 1974, the United Nations Security Council
condemned Turkey for its aggression, demanding that Turkey withdraw all
troops and allow the displaced Greek Cypriots to return to their confiscated
homes.
There have been at least three further UN resolutions since 1974 demanding
the same, but Turkey has ignored them all. This is why the "Turkish
Republic of Northern Cyprus," the TRNC, is not recognized by any country in
the world except for Turkey and has no legitimate international standing.
The continuing insistence on partition by Turkey, using the protection of
the Turkish-Cypriot community as a pretext, is merely part of Turkey's
long-held expansionist plans for the island. According to Professor John L.
Scherer, in Blocking the Sun: The Cyprus Conflict, "Since the 1950s, [Turkey
's] plan had been to turn northern Cyprus into a Turkish-run province.
Ankara needed an excuse to intervene, and that was provided by George Grivas
and EOKA fighters. If there had been no EOKA, however, the Turks and
Turkish Cypriots would have found another pretext. They would have planted
their own bombs in Turkish-Cypriot areas and blamed the Greek Cypriots in
order to justify the Turkish invasion."
Attempts are also made to minimize the 80% Greek majority's cultural and
historical claim to the island through assertions like: "Turkish and Greek
Cypriots occupied the island for centuries under a succession of sovereigns
before the Republic of Cyprus was established in 1960" (Insight Magazine,
Feb. 7).
Because of its geo-strategic position in the Mediterranean and the bounty of
its natural resources, Cyprus has been invaded and intermittently ruled over
by many: Phoenicians, Assyrians, Persians, Romans, English, Lusignans,
Genoese, Marmelukes, Venetians, Ottomans, and again the English. The
Ottomans invaded in 1571 and controlled Cyprus for three hundred years (its
longest period of cultural stagnation), but through all of its decidedly
civilized history it has remained a Greek nation in language,
architecture,
art, music, culture and spirit.
As noted by Christopher Hitchens in Hostage to History, "the complexity and
variety of Cypriot history cannot efface, any more than could its numerous
owners and rulers, one striking fact. The island has been, since the Bronze
Age, unmistakably Greek." Out of 7,000 years of history, the Turks have
been in Cyprus a mere 300 years. Based on this and an 18% minority, Turkey'
s military establishment, with a seemingly truncated memory, believes that
Cyprus should be part of Turkey.
Most troubling for the future of Cyprus is the apartheid-like creed,
parroted by some journalists covering the issue, that Greek Cypriots and
Turkish Cypriots will never be able to live in harmony (although they did so
for three hundred years), therefore let's maintain the Attila Line that has
been imposed on both communities by the Turkish military and forget about
finding a solution. It is no accident that this is identical to the
argument used by Turkish extremists in the 1950s to promote the idea of
partition-one separate state for Turkish Cypriots, another for Greeks.
It is this very separatist objective-engineered by Turkey's ruling military
establishment to achieve its goal of taksim, or the partition of Cyprus (and
further exacerbated by Britain, America and the Greek junta's disastrous
intrigues in Cyprus)-that initiated the cycle of violence by extremists of
both communities in 1963 after centuries of peaceful coexistence.
While Turkey has refused to allow Greek Cypriot refugees to return to their
homes in the occupied north, the Cypriot Government has kept
Turkish-Cypriot
homes in trust for them in the hope that they will one day return when
Cyprus is united.
Situated in the UN-controlled buffer-zone, Pyla serves as an example of what
can be achieved when the divisive effect of Turkey's occupation regime is
removed. It is one of the few villages on the island where Greek and
Turkish Cypriots still live together peacefully as they had done for
centuries.
A recent mobilization by Turkish Cypriots to find a blood donor for a
6-year-old Greek Cypriot boy with leukemia further underscores the
speciousness of the myth, propagated for the very purpose of keeping Cyprus
divided, that both communities are somehow inherently incapable of living
together.
Another disinformation bite promoted by the Turkish government and its
spindoctors here is that the Turkish-occupied part of the island functions
as a democracy.
As confirmed by the State Department's most recent Human Rights Report and
by independent human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and
Human Rights Watch, Turkey is among the worst human rights violators on
earth, where torture and extra-judicial killings remain a part of its
political landscape. For the fifth consecutive year the Turkish state has
led the world in imprisoned journalists ahead of China and Syria, and has
recently admitted to using death squads to kill as many as 14,000 people
since the 1980's.
As the TRNC is in reality a puppet administration that answers directly to
the Turkish state, the same authoritarian repression that afflicts Turkey
also pervades occupied Cyprus. Turkish Cypriots critical of Denktash's
occupation regime have asked that their identities be kept confidential, as
one economics professor did, for example, when interviewed by the BBC ("the
fact that she didn't want to be identified was significant", BBC News,
9/1/98).
The assassination of prominent Turkish Cypriot journalist Kutlu Adali in
1996 is instructive--his assassination is widely attributed to extremists
working on behalf of the Turkish state. According to Professor Claire
Palley, a British constitutional law expert, Adali was murdered six days
after the European Human Rights Commission declared Cyprus' application
against Turkey admissible and "after it became obvious he would have been a
witness" in the case. Adali's writings had been extensively quoted in the
application, and Palley stated that Adali "proved Turkey's colonisation of
Cyprus . . . [and its] compelling Turkish Cypriots to emigrate"
Anyone who wants to believe that the TRNC is a democracy will soon be
disappointed upon visiting occupied Cyprus, and taking note of the
square-helmeted, goose-stepping soldiers wielding machine guns on every
corner. Cross the Green Line in Nicosia into the Turkish sector and try to
photograph any building or videotape any street scene and you will soon find
yourself camera-less, in jail, or both.
That apologists of the occupation regime are under the misperception that
this is how a democracy should function is indeed part of the problem.
And,
much like the situation with the former Berlin Wall, now there are Turkish
Cypriots from the north escaping to the south to return to their old
neighborhoods among the Greeks; their homes, as guaranteed by Cypriot law,
still waiting for them.
As was recently reported by Gregory Copley of The International Strategic
Studies Association in Washington DC, "[t]he Turkish Cypriots' standard of
living has declined compared with that of their Greek Cypriot neighbors
since 1974. Turkish Cypriots, with 37 percent of the land and the best
agricultural and tourist areas of the island, earn only 30 percent of the
average wage of the Greek Cypriots."
European Foreign Affairs Commissioner Hans van den Broek protested that the
Turkish Cypriot community was being "victimized" and withheld from "a better
and more prosperous future" as a result of Turkey's insistence on an
occupied and divided Cyprus.
An increasing number of Turkish Cypriots have realized that the future of a
prosperous Cyprus is a united one without Turkish troops. Rejecting the
hard-line partitionist stand of the occupation regime, in October 1999 an
influential bloc of 23 Turkish-Cypriot trade unions and professional
organizations appealed directly to visiting U.S. envoy Alfred Moses to work
for the reunification of war-divided Cyprus on the basis of UN Security
Council resolutions that call for a unified Cyprus and a withdrawal of
occupation troops.
The TRNC's occupation regime has trapped Turkish Cypriots in a political and
economic black hole, all the while importing Turks from the depths of
Anatolia to wrest control from Cyprus' native Turkish population. As a
result, as many as half of all Turkish-Cypriots have fled their own homeland
in search of greater economic and political freedom elsewhere.
In conclusion, it should be emphasized that there were extremists on both
sides of the Cyprus conflict, while power-brokering by colonial-minded
Britain and interventionist violence by junta-era Greece clearly added fuel
to the Cypriot powder keg. But insiders know that it was Turkish designs
for partition that ultimately caused the breakdown in government and the
terrible tragedy of 1974, the repercussions of which all indigenous
Cypriots, both Greek and Turk, are still suffering today.
Cyprus is Berlin all over again, with one difference. Rather than taking
the side of civilian-controlled governments, pluralistic societies, and
democratic values, our own government has instead decided to ratify
invasion, occupation, and transnational aggression in order to sustain an
alliance of increasingly questionable value.
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From: Spirit of Truth
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Koulakiotis
2006-08-12 22:15:25 UTC
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Post by ﻡжiЯפ Я ©®@ρ
Oh and the tally of nations that now recognises the "Republic of
Macedonia" is 148
Friend,
Did you say "148"? Very interesting! Could you be so kind and post a list of
all these countries?

You are misleading with your forgeries and lies.

Last time one of yours posted a forged list of "over a 100 countries".
Unfortunately, for you, he included in his message the URL where he copied
the names of these countries from. Could you believe it? Even Greece was on
this list!!!

Nobody believes those Slav lies.

Koulakiotis
gogu
2006-08-22 00:07:26 UTC
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Post by Koulakiotis
Post by ﻡжiЯפ Я ©®@ρ
Oh and the tally of nations that now recognises the "Republic of
Macedonia" is 148
Friend,
Did you say "148"? Very interesting! Could you be so kind and post a list
of all these countries?
You are misleading with your forgeries and lies.
Last time one of yours posted a forged list of "over a 100 countries".
Unfortunately, for you, he included in his message the URL where he copied
the names of these countries from. Could you believe it? Even Greece was
on this list!!!
Nobody believes those Slav lies.
Except a NAZI Turkish TROLL like him;-)
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in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
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Koulakiotis
Spirit of Truth
2006-08-07 06:55:41 UTC
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"macedonianmediamonitor" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:***@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Bulgar, keep your filthy racist lies out of here.

And remember, your mother told you that you will die a Bulgar as you were
born one....so stop disrespecting her.

You only have to look here to see that the Fyrom Slavic majority are simply
West Bulgarians, like yourself, and have no connection to 'Macedonia'
anything:

In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:
"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10
to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own
intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient
name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one
on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced:
they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other
Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets
I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the
"Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to
as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the
original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is
available for examination and study)
Here is the text in the original:

"No pochudno e imeto Makedonci, koeto naskoro, edvay predi 10-15 godini, ni
natrapiha i to otvqn, a ne kakto nyakoi mislyat ot samata nasha
inteligenciya... Narodqt obache v Makedoniya ne znae nishto za tova
arhaichesko, a dnes, s lukava cel ot edna strana, s glupeshka ot druga,
podnoveno prozvishte; toy si znae postaroto: Bugari, makar i nepravilno
proiznasyano, daje osvoyava si go kato sobstveno i preimushtestveno svoe,
nejeli za drugite Bqlgari. Za tova shte vidite i v predgovora na izpratenite
mi knijici. Toy naricha Bugarski ezik svoeto Makaedono-bqlgarsko narechie,
kogato drugite bqlgarski narechiya naricha Shopski."


And here:


Reference source for Gotse Delchev's numerous utterings of 'We are
Bulgarians'......

http://www.ucc.ie/staff/jprodr/macedonia/macmodnat2.html

Even Gotse Delchev, the famous Macedonian revolutionary leader, whose nom de
guerre was Ahil (Achilles), refers to "the Slavs of Macedonia as
'Bulgarians' in an offhanded manner without seeming to indicate that such a
designation was a point of contention" (Perry 1988:23).
In his correspondence Gotse Delchev often states clearly and simply, "We are
Bulgarians" (MacDermott 1978:192,273).


And here:


For fair use only.

http://members.tripod.com/~dimobetchev/documents/ilinden.htm

" Considering the critical and terrible situation that the Bulgarian
population of the Bitola Vilayet found itself in and following the ravages
and cruelties done by the Turkish troops and irregulars, ... considering
the fact that everything Bulgarian runs the risk of perishing and
disappearing without a trace because of violence, hunger, and the upcoming
misery, the Head Quarters finds it to be its obligation to draw the
attention of the respected Bulgarian government to the pernicious
consequences vis-a-vis the Bulgarian nation, in case the latter does not
fulfill its duty towards its brethren of race here in an imposing fashion
which is necessary by virtue of the present ordeal for the common Bulgarian
Fatherland...

...Being in command of our people's movement, we appeal to you on behalf of
the enslaved Bulgarian to help him in the most effective way - by waging
war.We believe that the response of the people in free Bulgaria will be the
same.

... No bulgarian school is opened, neither will it be opened... Nobody
thinks of education when he is outlawed by the state because he bears the
name Bulgar...


Waiting for your patriotic intervention, we are pleased to inform you that
we have in our disposition the armed forces we have spared by now.

The Head Quarters of the Ilinden Uprising"

Damian GRUEV, Boris SARAFOV, Atanas LOZANTCHEV

This memorandum was handed to Dr.Kozhuharov, the Bulgarian consul in Bitola,

and transmitted by him to the government in Sofia with report N441 from
September 17th, 1903. "

And here:


http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/document.htm

http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/documen1.htm

http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/documen2.htm

http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/documen3.htm

http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/drzhava.htm

http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/exarchy.htm

http://w3.tyenet.com/kozlich/mapovska4a.htm

And finally here

http://www.bulgaria.com/VMRO/bitola06.htm

http://www.historymuseum.org/items.php3?nid=199&name=ochrid



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d***@waverley.nsw.edu.au
2018-08-31 01:10:28 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
Explain this you Skopians.
Why are all the names in the Macedonian Mule Corps of 1914 Greek ?
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=powersearch&query=scope%3dmacedonian%20mule%20corps&catid=10&mediaarray=*&pagenumber=1&querytype=1
Where are the Skopjian names ?
Paschalis, Savya
Loucas, Haji Achillea
Joannou, Joanis
Christos, Stratis
Condopoulos, Eurepide
Barevaris, E
Victor Vernandakis
Tzorzis Christofi
Callis Panayi
Sozos Mina
Heraklis, Toghli Michael
Heraklis, Yeorghi
Hambis Yianni
Demosthenis Michael
Demosthenis Cosma
Demetris, K Skourmorini
Demetris Constandinou
Demetris Christodulou Shakalli
Need I go on......
You Fyromians know full well that prior to 1945 FYROM was never called
Macedonia but Vardaska Banovinia.
The only Macedonia is Greece !
There s no such thing as Slav Macedonians, tonically yes there is, but in practice, they speak Bulgarian and Serbian, they upsurge history and are racist to the core, therefore the Greeks have every right to fight back against the Fakedonians.
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